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ok, so i've been trying to edit the Book of Lost Tales to male it agree with the later canon. A pretty random and most likely futile quest, but i'm enjoying it. In the first chapter Vaire is talking about Olórë Mallë. It's a road by which human children come to Valinor in their dreams. It's not mentioned in any later stories, like many things in the Lost Tales, but i was wondering what the canonical status of it is. Is it too silly for his later Legendarium? or does it deserve a small place?
Telepathy.One thing that always bugged me:
If the palantir can't transport sound, like the essay in unfinished tales says, how did peregrin took hear sauron?
The Mordor Treasury hasn't provided funds for a official sign language yet.The confusion comes from the movie, where Saruman speaks at loud to Sauron via the Palantir.
Black SPeech sign language is pretty simple, actually. It consists of a few basic motions. The first and most common is swinging your arms wildly while holding jagged swords. This means "I hate everybody, and I want to kill and eat you". The next is cringing while holding your arms over your head. This either means "it's to bright, I hate the sun", or "you're to strong, please don't kill me". And that pretty much sums it up.Darn. I was really wishing to do black speech with my hands!
YUSBlack SPeech sign language is pretty simple, actually. It consists of a few basic motions. The first and most common is swinging your arms wildly while holding jagged swords. This means "I hate everybody, and I want to kill and eat you". The next is cringing while holding your arms over your head. This either means "it's to bright, I hate the sun", or "you're to strong, please don't kill me". And that pretty much sums it up.
Tolkien described only a few gests :I found a Khuzdul sign language that is interesting me, called Iglishmêk. Are there any books that show the signs of it?
ThxTolkien described only a few gests :
- slightly raising the right index finger, then the left one means : " I am listenning"
- raising the two index finger at the same time means "listen !"
something I found in the Peoples of middle-earth concerning the blue wizardsWhen did the blue wizards arrive? Some accounts say the came after Curumno and Aiwendil, but others say they came during the Second Age to help the lesser men against sauron. If this were true, then their staying in Rhûn would make sense because the Easterlings are a lesser kind of men. It is possible that thy didn't come back because they failed and were exiled. Is there an agreed time?
The Index of Unfinished Tales says their names are Alantar and Pallanto... Why do Tolkien always have to change his mind this is confusingNo names are recorded for the two wizards.
Because Tolkien is a master troll who knew he was going to die before he would get hassled by this stuff!Why do Tolkien always have to change his mind this is confusing
This is what I meant about them coming in the second age. Wait, no names are recorded, then he proceeds to give them names? O_Osomething I found in the Peoples of middle-earth concerning the blue wizards
(not sure if this adds something to the information, but on phone now, so hard to tell)
No names are recorded for the two wizards. They were never
seen or known in lands west of Mordor. The wizards did not
come at the same time. Possibly Saruman, Gandalf, Radagast
did, but more likely Saruman the chief (and already over
mindful of this) came first and alone. Probably Gandalf and
Radagast came together, though this has not yet been said.
(what is most probable) ... Glorfindel also met Gandalf at the
Havens. The other two are only known to (have) exist(ed) [sic]
by Saruman, Gandalf, and Radagast, and Saruman in his wrath
mentioning five was letting out a piece of private information.
The reference of the last sentence is to Saruman's violent retort to
Gandalf at the door of Orthanc, in which he spoke of 'the rods of the
Five Wizards' (The Two Towers p. 188). Another note is even rougher
and more difficult:
The 'other two' came much earlier, at the same time probably
as Glorfindel, when matters became very dangerous in the
Second Age. Glorfindel was sent to aid Elrond and was (though
not yet said) pre-eminent in the war in Eriador. But the other
two Istari were sent for a different purpose. Morinehtar and
Romestamo.(28) Darkness-slayer and East-helper. Their task was
to circumvent Sauron: to bring help to the few tribes of Men
that had rebelled from Melkor-worship, to stir up rebellion ...
and after his first fall to search out his hiding (in which they
failed) and to cause [? dissension and disarray] among the
dark East ... They must have had very great influence on the
history of the Second Age and Third Age in weakening and dis-
arraying the forces of East ... who would both in the Second
Age and Third Age otherwise have ... outnumbered the West.
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