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Just leave and be done with it. None of you want anything with this server anymore so why bother all these announcements and PSA stuff.You're the hero MCME needs, but not the one it deserves. See you on the other side brother
Only good thing that came out of this whole situation is that I got to see people's true colors. Never expected this out of you, Ruby, but I guess you don't really know people until you know them.Just leave and be done with it. None of you want anything with this server anymore so why bother all these announcements and PSA stuff.
Excuse for sounding bold. I was actually more referring to all the 'dank memes' and Titanic theme and stuff on the ardacraft discord. What I've seen so far is some people playing with the edge of what's allowed and what not. Idk why you are banned mama; because you chose the side of your friends? Sometimes ppl make mistakes, doesn't mean it's their true color.Only good thing that came out of this whole situation is that I got to see people's true colors. Never expected this out of you, Ruby, but I guess you don't really know people until you know them.
It's not quite as simple as just not wanting anything to do with this server anymore. Obviously, MCME means a lot to them. They're trying to raise awareness for the events that led up to this point, and the moderation team's handling of the situation, in order to prevent similar circumstances from befalling any future members of the community who may not be as experienced or well connected as themselves.
Ask yourself this: If you were in their shoes, and suddenly banned for posting memes in services completely outside of MCME jurisdiction (amongst private circles no less), would you not do the same? Would you just "leave and be done with it"? If so, then MCME obviously doesn't mean as much to you as it does to them, and you really have no right to question their actions. Having fun used to be so central to the entire MCME experience.
Yes sir, this had to be said, good words manI originally posted this in the staff forums, I think it would be worth posting to the public. Please read this in full. I have discussed this matter with a few members on the server but I think it is worth repeating here. I have generated very mixed feelings about this whole ordeal.
Preface: I am not interested in starting an argument and would like to keep the following civil, as I have a great respect for the work that each of you has contributed towards the server as a whole. I am also not interested in convincing any of you in one way or another as this issue is obviously not "black and white". Here is my two cents on the matter.
On one hand, generating these kinds of memes (etc) outside of the server parameters is a very different ball game and probably should not be enforced the same way as actions that occur within the community. I also agree that there should have been greater dialogue between the two parties before the actions were taken. It is sometimes really difficult to deduce intention over the internet and sometimes that results in mistakes, the system is simply not perfect nor has it ever promised to be perfect. If this is viewed as a systemic issue for the way in which enforcement is carried out, I would ask that we look into how we could improve the current system in order to improve the workings of the server. I do not know the full story of how enforcers responded to the event, so I do not want to overplay my hand and talk about actions that I know less about. I will leave the enforcers to explain their own actions and illuminate where they believe the mistakes may lie.
On the other hand, these actions can be genuinely hurtful to players within the community and viewed as a form of cyber bullying. I think the group involved with generating these memes has done a poor job acknowledging this possible consequence of their actions. I realize that within a small group these pictures may be "harmless" or "light-hearted", but not everyone may feel this way. You need to know your audience and be aware of how your actions may impact others. For example, I stumbled upon several memes generated by current or former members of the MCME community targeting myself and, as a member that is really just here to build shit and doesn't really participate with groups outside of the server, I found these somewhat offensive and aggravating. If we are being honest the ones against me were in a small minority and were not (comparatively) that bad, so I cannot imagine the discomfort and anger experienced by those who were targeted with images pulled from their personal Facebook. I am aware that these acts are nothing new, it simply highlights a behavior that we, as a community, should reconsider before promoting among small factions. To this extent, I could empathize why the enforcers responded so harshly and enacted such a strong response.
I do not think either side is innocent in terms of how this debacle was carried out. Both sides should be willing to admit that mistakes (however small or large) were made and, more importantly, acknowledge how moving forward we can improve both the system and individual actions to avoid another drama event like this. I believe the "us vs MCME" divide is somewhat silly, given the huge propensity for this server to change over time and respond to public opinion. I hope that some of the staff and members of the community are willing to reconsider their untimely departure from the server, and instead focusing on giving strong feedback and bettering the community as a whole.
I would like to reinforce that I appreciate the impact that many of you have had on the server and I hope that we will be able to work through this and improve MCME has a whole. I look forward to being involved in future conversations about how moderation on MCME could be improved and what we should expect from our community at large.
I agree with you there Heartseeker, I think there could have been a better way of handling the situation, but I also believe that Delmana had every right to act in the way he did because ridiculing his image, work, and relationship is unacceptable in my own eyes, and probably infuriating in his eyes. I sincerely hope the announcement enlighten all of us about what's to come in the futureI'm sorry, since when did Fire become the voice of collective reasoning? And why are you two making my thread into an echo-chamber for each other? Let me put it simply, even if someone in that chat shared photoshopped real life Facebook photos of a member of this server as a joke--even if you find that absolutely immature and stupid beyond all reasoning, choosing to permanently ban two players involved in the chat as a precaution, not even the ones with sole responsibility, to prevent further damage was simply irrational. There could have been temporary bans, demotions, mutes, and all other options at the behest and will of the enforcement team, that could have been used until those involved had the opportunity to speak for themselves, not as a collective group. But none of that was considered. As a result, I see unfiltered and trigger happy enforcement, the same level of which that got me banned 5 years ago. And that's only the first half. Enforcers privately scolding anyone who takes sides with Eaglz and Yomama. Trying to sweep this under the rug before it got out of hand, and seeing Eaglz' vision for Dol Amroth, already being undone NOT EVEN ONE DAY after Eaglz was banned is absolutely disgusting and I'd hate to see my hard work thrown under the bus as soon as opinion of me turns sour, even in the blink of an eye. 48 hours into this debacle, and already Dol Amroth has been edited and changed in the same amount of time I'd care to even write out a ban appeal, let alone as an artist, and not a designer and leader for the whole project. That disgusts me, and should it? This is just a game right? It's also a community, and one we've all invested time and effort into.
I've been trying to say something like this, but the way you worded it is perfect. +1I originally posted this in the staff forums, I think it would be worth posting to the public. Please read this in full. I have discussed this matter with a few members on the server but I think it is worth repeating here. I have generated very mixed feelings about this whole ordeal.
Preface: I am not interested in starting an argument and would like to keep the following civil, as I have a great respect for the work that each of you has contributed towards the server as a whole. I am also not interested in convincing any of you in one way or another as this issue is obviously not "black and white". Here is my two cents on the matter.
On one hand, generating these kinds of memes (etc) outside of the server parameters is a very different ball game and probably should not be enforced the same way as actions that occur within the community. I also agree that there should have been greater dialogue between the two parties before the actions were taken. It is sometimes really difficult to deduce intention over the internet and sometimes that results in mistakes, the system is simply not perfect nor has it ever promised to be perfect. If this is viewed as a systemic issue for the way in which enforcement is carried out, I would ask that we look into how we could improve the current system in order to improve the workings of the server. I do not know the full story of how enforcers responded to the event, so I do not want to overplay my hand and talk about actions that I know less about. I will leave the enforcers to explain their own actions and illuminate where they believe the mistakes may lie.
On the other hand, these actions can be genuinely hurtful to players within the community and viewed as a form of cyber bullying. I think the group involved with generating these memes has done a poor job acknowledging this possible consequence of their actions. I realize that within a small group these pictures may be "harmless" or "light-hearted", but not everyone may feel this way. You need to know your audience and be aware of how your actions may impact others. For example, I stumbled upon several memes generated by current or former members of the MCME community targeting myself and, as a member that is really just here to build shit and doesn't really participate with groups outside of the server, I found these somewhat offensive and aggravating. If we are being honest the ones against me were in a small minority and were not (comparatively) that bad, so I cannot imagine the discomfort and anger experienced by those who were targeted with images pulled from their personal Facebook. I am aware that these acts are nothing new, it simply highlights a behavior that we, as a community, should reconsider before promoting among small factions. To this extent, I could empathize why the enforcers responded so harshly and enacted such a strong response.
I do not think either side is innocent in terms of how this debacle was carried out. Both sides should be willing to admit that mistakes (however small or large) were made and, more importantly, acknowledge how moving forward we can improve both the system and individual actions to avoid another drama event like this. I believe the "us vs MCME" divide is somewhat silly, given the huge propensity for this server to change over time and respond to public opinion. I hope that some of the staff and members of the community are willing to reconsider their untimely departure from the server, and instead focusing on giving strong feedback and bettering the community as a whole.
I would like to reinforce that I appreciate the impact that many of you have had on the server and I hope that we will be able to work through this and improve MCME has a whole. I look forward to being involved in future conversations about how moderation on MCME could be improved and what we should expect from our community at large.
Excuse for sounding bold. I was actually more referring to all the 'dank memes' and Titanic theme and stuff on the ardacraft discord. What I've seen so far is some people playing with the edge of what's allowed and what not. Idk why you are banned mama; because you chose the side of your friends? Sometimes ppl make mistakes, doesn't mean it's their true color.
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