Fireinferno13 said:

Question, who would win:
Three of these?

Or One of These?

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Fireinferno13 said:

Question, who would win:
Three of these?

Or One of These?

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Fornad said:

This might be of interest to you:

"Army of Rohan. 12,000-13,000. This was the easiest, because UT states plainly that the full muster of Rohan was 100 eoreds, each not less than 120 riders. It also states that doubtless many more than 12,000 could be mustered so that Theoden would not leave his strongholds undefended even if he did ride with the full muster to Gondor.

Army of Gondor. 20,000-21,000. This is based on Imrahil's comment at the last debate that the size of the force they were sending against Mordor (seven thousand) was scarcely the size of the vanguard of the army in the days of its strength. In Medieval armies the vanguard is almost universally 1/3 of the total force. This is also based on the approximate size of the garrison of Minas Tirith (after being reinforced from the fiefs) which I reckon at about 6,000 (3,000 from the fiefs and the estimate of 3,000 in the usual garrison--based on Aragorn's statments at Last Debate on the strength coming up from the South and the number of defenders being left behind being at least as strong as prior to the siege.

Army of Thranduil. 3,000. This is based on his strength at the Battle of Five Armies where he had 1,000 Elvish spearmen and the estimate of 1,000 bowmen and the determination that he would not have left his forest stronghold unguarded (a reasonable guess that he would not have taken any more than 2/3 of his available warriors).

Army of Dain. 2,000 This is based on the strength of Dain's force at the battle of Five Armies 500 axe bearing dwarves (a force solely from the iron Hills), the fact that Thorin requested that the ravens bear word to his kin in the north, west and east (of whom only the Iron Hills dwarves had arrived) and the fact that Gimli states that they had increased in strength by the time of the War of the Ring.

Army of Dale. 2,000. This is a number based on Bard's force at the battle of Five Armies, the Men and Dwarves were in one wing and the Elves in the other. There were 500 Dwarves, 1,000 Elf-spearmen (and my estimated 1,000 Elf-bowmen) so I would anticipate that the Dwarves and Elves together were at least near to the size of the Elven army. There is also the fact that Gimli states that King Brand ruled "many men" and his land extended south and east. A look at the map shows that the logical bounds for such a realm are the rivers Running and Redwater, about half the size of Rohan. This area had been severely depopulated but was since on the mend since the demise of Smaug.

Woodmen and Beornings 1,200. This is based on the incident of Isildur's death as told in UT. The woodmen got together a force to contest the 2,000+ orcs that attacked Isildur and his 200-strong guard. Given the inferior fighting qualities of orcs it would still require a significant force (say half the number as the orc host plus they would not have left their homes unguarded. Since there were no Beornings at the time of the hobbit I assumed they were one people that divided (but kept their cultural ties) by the time of the War and they had a relatively stable population (a great achievement given the evil things that were on the increase in Mirkwood).

Army of Lorien 3,500-4,000. This is based on my estimate of the total of Thranduil's army and the various statements in UT that say by the time of the War that most of the Silvan elves lived in Lorien as opposed to Greenwood (which had been opposite in the Second Age)

High Elves 1,500. I estimate that Rivendell probably had only a few hundred High Elf defenders since they were rapidly abandoning ME and many of the remainder no longer cared for ME matters. Grey Havens, the Forlond and Harlond probably had slightly larger contingents since most of the Noldor and Sindar refugees were in this area. These would probably defend their havens and Rivendell and not be attacking anyone."

So around 47'000 soldiers in total if the armies of the West got together to fight a Lannister invasion towards the end of the Third Age. Considering their strongholds (Minas Tirith, Helm's Deep, Erebor, the forests for the Elves) as well as the Elves' superhuman abilities and Gondorians' strength and height compared to normal humans (not even counting in the magical weapons, i.e. Andúril, and creatures, i.e. Eagles, they have on their side), I don't think a force of 60'000 men could win an offensive war, especially with a lack of knowledge about the land they are attacking.

This isn't taking Sauron into account, who has around 300'000 to 400'000 troops. If he sided with the Lannisters, the Free Peoples would be annihilated. If he attacked all of Westeros with his combined forces (even without the Ring or any help from the Free Peoples), he'd stomp them. Levied peasants don't do well against armoured trolls.

Fun concept.

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djax74 said:

Awesome but you forgot hobbits. I'm sure they could fight if needed.

EDIT : Are you sure a vanguard is 1/3 of the army ? I would personnally say 1/4, because it should be smalller than the main army which would be approximately 1/2, and the last 1/4 could be for the rear guard.

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ardelenia said:

balrogs were ainur? (slightly off-topic, i know)

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Fireinferno13 said:

Question, who would win:
Three of these?

Or One of These?
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pourtugueseguy said:

This chapter may be a bit bad and may have some mistakes as i was tired when i wrote it but i'll let you decide so without further ado enjoy
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“M’lord the vanguard has engaged the Elves outside the gates but the Elves have formed a shield wall. We can’t breach it”

Jaime Lannister gave the young man a nod and sent him on his way he walked over to his table grabbed his sword and helm and made for the exit.

“Men, Men form up. We know little of these Elves we don’t know their strengths and their weaknesses but there is one thing we do know. What we do know is that they shall hear us roar”

Jaime put on his helm and unsheathed his sword and pointed it in the direction of the battle

“Charge”


Kings Landing


Cersei Lannister took her seat on the small council and turned towards the members

“I have called a meeting of the small council to discuss threat posed by this “Middle-Earth” in an attempt to put down this threat my father the Hand of the King has sailed with a Lannister host along with my brother Ser Jaime.

Before she could finish King Joffrey entered the room tailed by the Kingsguard

“This better be important. There are important matters which require kings’ attention”

Tyrion turned to Joffrey.

“And this is one of them”

Joffrey took a seat and turned to the rest of the council

“And...What is it then?”

“Your grace, your grandfather lord Tywin has landed in Middle-Earth in order to crush the threat posed”

Joffrey sighed and turned to lord Baelish

“Threat...What threat they’re no danger to us what so ever they just like us easy to kill”

Lord Varys interrupted

“Don’t mind me interrupting you your grace but we know nothing of them. Nothing their weapons, structures, armour , tactics, and strength we’ve gone in blind”

Joffrey stood up ready to leave

“Make sure the coast of that “Middle-Earth” is secure before any others land there we can’t fight a war in two realms”

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