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On Hold How to build the Eye of Barad-dûr?

How to build the Eye of Barad-dûr?


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Eriol_Eandur

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Hey MCME,

there was a vivid dicussion at discord about the Eye of Barad-dûr. In my opinion it's very important to discuss this but Discord is a very bad place to do. I'll put my two cents here and invite you to add yours.
Please help to make this a useful thread. Make post only if you have something new to add. If you just want to agree it's better to like the post you agree with to keep the thread short.

So for me here are two main points:
  1. Many players new to MCME will expect to see the epic movie version of Barad-dûr. It is indeed one of the most iconic images people have about LotR. Thus they would be disappointed not to see this.
  2. The Eye of Barad-dûr is described in the Book quite different as a flame stabbing from a great window in the highest tower of Barad-dûr:
At all other places the Eye is mentionend in the book it is not material but methaphorical (communication using a Palantir, Mirror of Galadriel, Seat of Seeing at Amon Hen...) I don't see why the physical shape of Barad-dûr should match these descriptions.
 
I would also like to say that we built Isengard according to the movie as well, (black, overly gothic) from what I see it’s taken by new players very well.

Later today when I have access to my computer I will move most of the discord discussion to here
 
I would agree with the movie upon this decision as the eye itself is what makes bara dur so unique and it would be nicer rather then a window for metefore I have made bara dur on single player (notice I made my tower with a mix of world of Warcraft theme so it doesn't look so lord of the ringsy)
 

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There was also some discussion if Sauron took a physical body after his defeat at the Battle of the Last Alliance.
He began to took a new physical shape indeed around 1050 T.A. when the shadow fell on Mirkwood. Tolkien even described the shape in one of his letters:
Fround at: What Did Sauron Look Like?
 
I agree with both options. I think Tolkien meant to leave the question of whether the eye of Sauron is physical or metaphorical up to the interpretation of the reader, my own interpretation being that the eye was a metaphor for Sauron's piercing will and that what is described as an eye in a window may be anything really (I have multiple plausible theories, the one I like the most being that that window leads to the room where Sauron uses his palantir), after all Tolkien did use the same description of an red eye looking out of the window of the tower of Cirith Ungol which later was revealed to just be torchlight.

However I also agree that having the movie version of an massive eye is very iconic and would please a lot of new members who would be really disappointed if we didn't have the massive eye and like BWOT said we do tend to go movie version over book version (Orthanc, Minas Tirith's wall, the balrog). However I'm unsure if we could actually make the eye justice in Minecraft.
So all in all I'm gonna vote blank on this for now.
 
I think Tolkien meant to leave the question of whether the eye of Sauron is physical or metaphorical up to the interpretation of the reader
I disagree: If Tolkien left that open on purpose for some meta-reasons then what he rather wanted to say was probably that u cant put ur finger on what exactly the evil is.
(Which actualy supports the metaphorical one a bit more imho.)

However I also agree that having the movie version of an massive eye is very iconic and would please a lot of new members who would be really disappointed if we didn't have the massive eye
Oh look, thats the first thing that comes up when u google "Minecraft Middleearth":
"Minecraft Middle Earth
Minecraft Middle Earth
Creating the imagined world of Middle Earth in Minecraft according to Tolkien his books."
 
I for one never liked the eye on Barad Dûr. I think what he feels is the palantir or something like an evil presence, like when you are all alone and feels like someone is watching you.
 
About this discussion of embodiment of sauron, in the hobbit we discover that sauron doesn't have an actual body but a spirit being of him in dol guldur later pushed away by the white council into Mordor where he then had a eye watching middle Earth
 
As pointed out before, Gollum points out that Sauron is missing a finger when Sauron tortures him for information on the whereabouts of the ring. How can he be missing a finger if he is a huge eye?
It may be iconic but I don't think its right. His spirit is probably a shadow of his former self.
 
In my opinion we should use the movie version as the vast majority of players will be expecting to see the eye and it will also just look much more impressive than a window which would just be disappointing as a build. We have adapted to the movie versions multiple times because they were portrayed much better in the movies and although it can be divisive I think MCME has become much more of a mix between the movie and books taking the best from both. The eye is clearly an icon of the series which would definitely feel missing if not included.
 
Build the eye, but just change "Creating the imagined world of Middle Earth in Minecraft according to Tolkien his books." to Something else cause mcme doesnt hold that title anymore
Why change it? The book does not say specifically there was no eye, as many people said it’s up to interpretation (the great things about books) the only thing is that we sometimes go to the movie look due to what many people are expecting it to look like, unless it’s definitively said in the book to look different than we are still keeping to the book.
 
I think as pointed out by some others that we should stick with the movie in this case, Peter Jackson pretty much created a perfect world (not entirely with lore...) But we should use it in this case as the eye takes a huge role in middle Earth as also it is something physical and much nicer to follow for building
 
How would this be possible?
You mean add an option to the poll? That's easy, just edit the poll and add the option.
If you mean how to combine both options just build both the eye at the top and a window in the topmost room just below the eye.
 
You mean add an option to the poll? That's easy, just edit the poll and add the option.
If you mean how to combine both options just build both the eye at the top and a window in the topmost room just below the eye.
i think he means how would it work to mix both the movie adaptation and the book description xD
 
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